How to become more comfortable with change

In E1 of our podcast, Fearless Thinkers, learn to counter three change-averse mindsets in this conversation with Kathryn Clubb and Jeni Fan.
March 25, 2025
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Learn how to counter the three most common change-averse mindsets in conversation with Kathryn Clubb, Head of Change and Transformation, and Jeni Fan, Senior Director.

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Most of us want to lead in a way that matters; to lift others up and build something people want to be part of.But too often, we’re socialized (explicitly or not) to lead a certain way: play it safe, stick to what’s proven, and avoid the questions that really need asking.

This podcast is about the people and ideas changing that story. We call them fearless thinkers.

Our guests are boundary-pushers, system challengers, and curious minds who look at today’s challenges and ask, “What if there is a better way?”If that’s the energy you’re looking for, you’ve come to the right place.

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