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The Fearless Thinkers Podcast | Episode 1

How to become more comfortable with change

with Kathryn Clubb and Jeni Fan


Learn how to counter the three most common change-averse mindsets in conversation with Kathryn Clubb, Head of Change and Transformation, and Jeni Fan, Senior Director.

About the show

The Fearless Thinkers podcast, hosted by Rick Cheatham and Masami Cookson, personalizes BTS’s perspective on the people side of strategy.

Aron Towner edits, mixes, and designs graphics for the show, which is produced by Gloria Breck.

Special thanks to Chris Goodnow, Meghan McGrath, and Joe Holeman for their invaluable help.

Show notes

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Here’s a link to the corresponding article, “How to Become More Comfortable with Change,” in the Harvard Business Review.

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